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Performative Bafflement's avatar

But you know, it's not just this one study.

I was a UPF skeptic before I started digging into the literature. Above and beyond KD Hall's excellent and well controlled studies that totally control diet and switch between UPF and "real" food diets in both directions, there's a huge array of other studies with large effect sizes, that generally show a 1.3x - 1.7x all cause mortality hazard ratio. That's roughly a "smoking" size hazard, extremely significant.

Even after controlling for fiber and macros, the top quartile of UPF eaters by percent of diet have a 1.3 - 1.7x all cause mortality Hazard Ratio compared to the bottom quartile, and the amount of UPF eaten follows a direct dose-reponse curve in terms of the incremental all cause mortality.

“But wait,” you might say, “you can’t just control by macros, UPF is eaten by fat poor people, so they have many other negative health confounds!” And you’d be right!

Happily, many researchers thought of this. In fact, a 1.7x all cause mortality HR study (the SUN study in Spain) controlled for education level, SES, obesity, marital status, smoking status and historical smoking, age cohort, and a double handful of specific health conditions. Then because there could still be residual confounding, they did sensitivity analysis and calculated Vanderweele E values to get the minimum strength of association before calculating the final impacts.

A Swedish study with n=27k6 measured actual UPF metabolites in blood and found a 1.23x HR in all cause mortality for each additional sigma of UPF consumption.

They also controlled for BMI, marital status, smoking history and status, educational level, alcohol use, exercise, coffee drinking, familial health history, and more in this analysis. Their finding is in line with several other studies: “Our observed positive association with all-cause mortality was supported by a recent meta-analysis [40] and four subsequent cohort studies [17-19,21]”

I've left out another snippet I could have put here that literally runs down 10 additional studies, all with N in the tens to hundreds of thousands, showing similarly large effect sizes. I actually wrote a whole post about this here: https://performativebafflement.substack.com/p/processed-food-followup-ultra-processed?r=17hw9h

I'd be willing to bet most of your readers don't smoke. I think the evidence is probably stronger than you portray it to be in this post, and if the relatively conscientious and health-aware folk in your audience knew the true effect sizes, they might be willing to make some of those major changes in diet, even if difficult.

Sure, at the societal level it's hard to move the needle - but part of the reason to write is to positively influence your readers when you can.

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Brian Dunning's avatar

Every food can be part of a healthy diet, or an unhealthy diet. People need to relax and enjoy their food. Even three Big Macs a day — and nothing else — is a pretty decent diet: https://skeptoid.com/episodes/4629

"Historically, the Inuit did perfectly fine on a diet consisting mainly of saturated fat, the Maasai on cow's milk and blood loaded with cholesterol, Paleolithic Europeans on a staple of starchy grains and tubers with a little of everything else sprinkled in."

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