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Raj Batra's avatar

From someone who knows both this condition and its pathogenesis and manifestations well, you are both correct and incorrect in your assessment.

Part of the apparent rise in autism is indeed an expansion of diagnostic criteria and their recognition.

But that doesn’t nullify the need to recognize environmental causes when they’re considered, including vaccines.

The autoimmune diseases that are being recognized within the context of SARs-CoV2 vaccines, and the known rare occurrences of Guillan-Barre disease with Influenza vaccines are no fluke. Your dismissal of vaccines as a causative factor in the neurodevelopmental alterations in affected individuals is more a reflection of bias than it is of epidemiological fact.

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Health Nerd's avatar

It is a provably true finding from a range of research, as I show. The myth that autism is in any way related to vaccines is largely based on the collation of low-quality research and fraud.

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DEMedia is Propaganda's avatar

Maxine Mercury autism definitively disapproved by the things I mentioned in my long post.

When you slam these people with us then they'll start babbling about aluminum which is equally dumb.

They have never heard of spurious correlations. They don't understand that a negative correlation can disprove but a positive correlation is not proof.

Since autism incidents continue to climb rapidly when Mercury was removed it is more likely that Mercury had a protective effect then a causative effect. Not that I believe It is protective. But it is more likely to be protective than it is to be causative.

Most of them don't even understand what they read. At the same time they ignore the existing research that shows the correlation to parental age and parental age gap. They ignore the genetic markers should have been to identified while each is very small at maybe 1% cumulative leaders and significant. This is also diluted by the effect that as you point out autism is not one thing it's really a collection of things so it would be weird to expect a genetic cause from only one or two genes. If autism is broken down in the specific diseases than the genetic link becomes stronger. I suspect more markers have been found by now.

There's also research on gut biome

They also don't understand one of the most basic caveats about correlations aside from correlation is not causality

If one has a trend more or less straight up anything else that has a trend more or less up will correlate well.

So autism incidents correlates with all kinds of things number of personal computers, numbers of cell phones, numbers of smartphones, percentage of brake pads that are ceramic,

Rap music sales, ll sorts of new chemicals or plastics that are introduced, vaping, reemergence of brown liquor, tyvek

What we found from arguing with these people who generally behave like flat earthers

Is the ones that are not USA enemy Astroturfers...

have austic children and are looking to absolve their guilt for ignoring warnings about parental age and parental age gap. They are also looking for a payday. There is no payday from genetic cause. And there is no better payor than large drug companies.

If one thinks about it and have some knowledge it turns out the scam is very very obvious

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james's avatar

Actually there is a strong association with autism and organic food intake. Graph it 2000-2020, surprised Ole RFK never talks about it.

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Heather's avatar

When you have *quite* finished insulting me... You're blindingly wrong about me. I won the prize for the top psychology degree at my university. I was in the top ten medical students in my class. And I've looked at the so-called evidence that disproves the vaccines cause autism myth and it's crap... It doesn't mean vaccines do cause autism, but to point to the evidence that is pointed to as disproving it is at best fraud and at worst, as in your case, idiocy. (I feel safe to descend to your level of insult given the abuse you hurled at me, as someone open to the idea that vaccines may cause autism, in your post.) Do you remember how vigorously the US government denied the link between the COVID Vax and myocarditis? Of course not, vaccines have fried your brain.

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DEMedia is Propaganda's avatar

I don't give a shit about psychology. That is for fucked up people to try to figure themselves out.

Your reading comprehension sucks so I dispute your claims

Read what I said.

Mercury Vax Autism Has been Disproved. Aluminum none idence and people and kids get far more aluminum from other sources.

I've looked at this in detail and we coveres on Telegram with all the leading anti Trump Pseudo Vaxers which we were before many whom came later who were anti all Vaxers and don't even understand mRNA are not Vaxes as they contain no antigen

They also don't understand what the realm problem with them is which TXIconoclast figured out 2021

Anti-all vactress have their own agendas. They are not interested in truth We are very familiar with them. We know how they operate and they are not into science or truth

Many are into or from Pseudo Science like Chiro Homeo or Naturo

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DEMedia is Propaganda's avatar

Vaccine Mercury Autism

I have been referring to Jasmine Crockett as Maxine Waters 2.0 so the phone was correcting vaxine to Maxine

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jerry's avatar

Have you seen the documentary Vaxxed? It’s about a whistleblower reporting the fraud in cdc research claiming no relation between MMR vaccine and autism? You can find it under the whistleblower and part of the research team Dr. William Thompson. Thanks for checking it out.

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Joshua Sherk's avatar

I’ll add another element to this issue. As a longevity researcher and heavy on whole food eating, there’s the issue that eating processed food has contributed to brain deterioration and autistic tendencies. I even have 1 doctor who is claiming confidently that eating habits has contributed to autism. Any research or fact based on this issue? Just wondering…

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DEMedia is Propaganda's avatar

Let me understand this, you claim to be a researcher but you're asking if there's any research on it ?

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Joshua Sherk's avatar

That’s right, researching to find the truth or getting more information on my topic of ask. Being a researcher is constantly questioning the hypothesis. Nothing wrong with adding more evidence or assurance.

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DEMedia is Propaganda's avatar

Groan. You call it an issue but have no info on it. Instead of looking it up yourself you beg on here.

If you were a researcher you'd be able to find the information if it existed yourself and for more reliable sources and just asking on here because you ask on here you get a lot of people like you that are replying.

LOL

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Pat Takash's avatar

yea, No.

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Hilary L.'s avatar

Actually yeah. Show us a study that links vaccines to autism.

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joshua l vicory's avatar

There's also less smoking. Maybe more smoking would reduce rates of autism?

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Zach S's avatar

As someone who knows both this condition and its pathogenesis and manifestations well, you are incorrect in attributing causation of ASD/Autism to vaccines - this has been scientifically disproven unless you are on the fringes & deal in junk science & conspiracy theories.

Anecdotes are no evidence of scientific proof

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Raj Batra's avatar

I am unwilling to wage a battle with you on this issue until data is allowed to be collected on alternative hypotheses and scientific rationales, as provided above.

You can carry on with the proposed guidelines, and I will continue to question their validity.

In terms of what’s fringe and what’s right, time will tell.

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Michael Treece's avatar

"Allowed to be collected"? I can point you to local populations with high incidence of vaccine refusal. There's your study group. Go collect date.

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Raj Batra's avatar

hmmmmmmm.

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Ray Taylor's avatar

A lot of data was indeed collected on this, and reviewed very thoroughly. Just search using Perplexity or Google Scholar.

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Raj Batra's avatar

AI tools regurgitate the same information. It’s my understanding, based on published IoM considerations, that the studies required have never been undertaken.

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DEMedia is Propaganda's avatar

Your profile sounds like Babble

You broke through Rhetoric to conceptualize

LOL

That isn't science in USA or India

There are lots of known risk factors for autism

The Autism Vax people including RFKjr are all frauds as they ignore known factors.

They pursue Vaxes virtually exclusive for one or both of two reasons

A huge payday from Big Pharma Vax Makers

To assuage their guilt for ignoring known risk factors and having autistic kids.

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Raj Batra's avatar

You’re simply an idiot!!

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Raj Batra's avatar

Maybe we are saying the same thing and maybe we’re not.

Basic science modeling allows one to introduce new environmental variables into the experimental mix while the environmental exposures are constantly evolving.

Vaccines are only one aspect of these variables, and if you don’t have a firm grasp on incidence, it’s much harder to attribute changes in prevalence to a specific factor or combination of factors.

But such decisions for vaccines, as well as hormonal modulators in food supplies should be a choice, not a forced mandate.

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Health Nerd's avatar

This is a truly bizarre word salad. I'm not sure what your point is, all I can say is that any decent understanding of objective reality shows no evidence whatsoever linking vaccines to autism and a great deal proving that there is no causal connection.

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Bill McDonald's avatar

Have you examined any papers on the links with aluminium adjuvant? Be interesting to read your thoughts.

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DEMedia is Propaganda's avatar

Yes and is equal nonsense.

Vax Autism Scammers start with Mercury and fall back to Aluminum.

While simultaneously ignoring latest research and known risk factors

Generally these people are from one or both groups of

Scammers looking for a big Payday from Big Pharma (no payday if acknowledge Genetic and other causal factors).

Parents of autists who wish to absolve their guilt for ignoring known risk factors like parental age and parental age gap

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Raj Batra's avatar

I will be succinct

Your analyses on both the quality of the data collected, and the interpretations of that data are flawed.

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Alexander MacInnis's avatar

Raj makes one excellent point that is commonly missed in scientific papers and science writing:

"if you don’t have a firm grasp on incidence, it’s much harder to attribute changes in prevalence to a specific factor or combination of factors."

I'm an epidemiologist and autism true case incidence is part of my work. Incidence and prevalence two different things.

In my research I have found that essentially NO papers estimate autism case incidence. Some use "incidence" to mean incidence of diagnosis, which is different and leaves open the possibility of alternative explanations.

More than a few journal articles confuse incidence with prevalence.

There are actually quite a few papers that provide high quality data on autism case incidence, but none of them label the data that way, making it hard to find.

AND - this is essential - knowledge of autism case incidence, once we have it, is not evidence that vaccines caused the increase. Incidence is a starting point for evaluating potential associations. The evidence to date indicates that vaccines are not even statistically associated with autism.

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Raj Batra's avatar

Individuals who cite the studies refuting the hypothesis that “vaccines cause autism”, in my opinion, neglect the anecdotes.

Large epidemiological population studies don’t looks for gene-environment intersections. They only look for environmental encumbrances.

The events that culminate in neuro inflammation (and its expression as a disease syndrome that can be characterized on the ASD spectrum) are rare precisely because the circumstances that lead to them require thresholds that can only be vetted by basic science modeling, and not epidemiology.

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David Newman's avatar

Autism due to vaccines, if real, should not be so rare that population-based data of millions of children cannot statistically detect it. (e.g.—https://www.acpjournals.org/doi/10.7326/M18-2101, https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2275444). If 'basic science modeling' is the only way, then cases must be far rarer than the known harms of going unvaccinated. The expansion of the autism definition potentially explains the entire 'epidemic'. It is therefore incumbent upon challengers to find human data to support any me-too claim of causation hidden within the diagnostic expansion. I am interested, have searched, and remain open. But basic science modeling will not, and should not, convince serious and dispassionate truthseekers of an autism-vaccine link.

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Naveena Hemanth's avatar

Repeated studies have shown NO clear link to vaccines causing autism unlike the rare GB syndrome with some flu vaccines in few people. These are not comparable in this instance at all.

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Raj Batra's avatar

Guillan Barre has validated biomarkers, unlike autism. The heterogeneity of “autism” without biophysical measurable biomarkers precludes the assessment of this diverse spectrum disorder in terms of neuro inflammation and neuro immune effects that culminate in the behavioral manifestation (s) of the syndrome.

In effect, the studies conducted have measured the wrong outcome measures, have inappropriately collated disparate individuals on the basis of a syndromic behavioral disorder, and have generalized vaccines in promoting conclusions which are not scientific.

Pick the specific studies that inform you of your conclusion, and let’s have an online debate about whether their results and conclusions are valid.

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Bill McDonald's avatar

The failure to ignore evidential reality as opposed to modelling is the real danger. Much more physical research is required. Let us not forget the dangers posed by processed food, fluoridated water, pharmaceutical drugs side effects and of course the majority of those people with vested monetary interests from certain companies to promote the dangers associated and close down any counter argument or scientific theories not fitting the agenda.

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Raj Batra's avatar

I am not disagreeing with you. I am disagreeing with the prevailing “conclusion” that “vaccines don’t cause autism”.

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Ray Taylor's avatar

Actually vaccine help to PREVENT autism, by reducing the risk of fever and infection in pregnancy, known causes of autism, deafness, microcephaly and sterility.

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Raj Batra's avatar

True. But unrelated to my arguments.

Not all vaccines have that potential.

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Michael Treece's avatar

"The dangers posed by fluoridated water"? Outside of John Birch Society tracts and a certain pork-tapeworm-damged yet influential scion of wealth, do you have any evidence of this?

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David Ahn's avatar

Vaccines have been studied extensively in very powerful meta-analyses and no link was found, meaning rate of autism is the same in vaccinated and unvaccinated patients. But it's hard to convince someone who's got their mind made up that their two data points (vaccines and autism dx) are in fact correlated temporally but not causally.

There are well over 1000 genes for autism spectrum, yet people insist on looking elsewhere for causes, which in itself isn't unreasonable. What IS unreasonable is they keep blaming things that have already been thoroughly debunked.

Anything that stimulates immune activity can trigger autoimmune reactions in those who are prone. That means some autoimmune-prone patients can have reactions to vaccines, but at MUCH lower rates than even a simple rhinovirus infection, and more serious viruses like influenza and COVID-19 will cause orders of magnitude greater reactions (both in incidence and in severity). Just look at the rate of myocarditis post-COVID vaccine versus the much higher rates and severity after actual COVID infections (22-31 mild cases/million doses vs 210 mod-severe cases per million COVID infections).

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Raj Batra's avatar

Your own post indicates that given an at risk cohort, environmental factors can trigger neuro inflammation and neuro autoimmune responses.

Given the spectrum of ASD, I believe it is you who’s being unreasonably aggressive about your statement that ASDs are not triggered or promoted by environmental factors, including vaccines.

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David Ahn's avatar

Sorry if I sound aggressive, but it's truly aggravating to see people continue to run the real risk of death from totally preventable diseases because they're afraid of some nebulous theoretical unproven side effects of vaccines. It's a public health epidemic, meaning as immunization rates fall, death rates will rise as a result of the refusal to believe the science.

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Raj Batra's avatar

Not all vaccines prevent imminent viral death. It’s feeding into medical hysteria

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David Ahn's avatar

Not every vaccine is potentially life-saving, but most are. Not every vaccine preventable diseases has as high mortality rates as Ebola, but in a population of millions, a 0.01% mortality rate like measles can kill 4-500 a year, like measles did in the US. Even "mild" diseases like chickenpox killed 2-300 children a year, and influenza kills about 200-800 a year. As a pediatrician and a parent, it is infuriating to hear people talk about a few hundred child deaths as "not worth the risk" of vaccinating. Ask the parents of those few hundred a year if they thought their child's life wasn't worth saving. Preventing these deaths depends on herd immunity to prevent epidemics. As population immunity rates fall, we see previously nearly eradicated disease returning, like measles.

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Danny L's avatar

Not all do but most do. Maybe not imminent viral death but death nonetheless. Also morbidity such as hospitalization, debilitation, suffering should be taken into account as well. How often does Varicella kill? There are more reasons to vaccinate than JUST to prevent death.

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Raj Batra's avatar

Mr L

Read and get back to me that that we are to debate, I would like to learn something new from your perspective.

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Michael Treece's avatar

No, some prevent slow viral death, like hepatocellular carcinoma.

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David Ahn's avatar

I'm suspicious of environmental factors such as chemicals, plastics, and even supplements. But it would be more productive to research new leads that haven't been debunked instead of "researching" low-quality uncontrolled anecdotes while rejecting the high-powered controlled studies already showing no causal link to vaccines.

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Raj Batra's avatar

Vaccines for at risk populations are valid. If whole Populations are at risk, then broad public vaccination strategies are appropriate.

I am not in favor of wholesale mass vaccination strategies that are deployed for Varicella or HepB.

And again, you discount the long term morbidity induced in sub populations of children by mass vaccinations.

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Raj Batra's avatar

By the way, I appreciate your link to the MMR debate.

I have heard both sides of the story, including Wakefields personally.

Nevertheless, given a relative weighing of risk:benefits, I don’t feel the same way about mass vaccination for Varicella or HepB. I think those should be limited to at risk populations.

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Danny L's avatar

You don't believe in mass Hep B vaccination? Only vaccinate at-risk populations? So, all of Africa and Asia? What about moms giving birth in a non-endemic locales with no prenatal care? What about foreign moms giving birth in Asia or Africa? Where do you draw the line? Do you know what will happen if we stop vaccinating for Hep B outside of Asia and Africa? Hep B morbidity and mortality will rise. If it's not bad now, how bad is bad enough?

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Raj Batra's avatar

Use your full name Danny L so that I can address you properly.

And yes, I believe that we should be markedly more targeted in our approach to Hep B vaccinations.

Provide the incidence and prevalence of HepB in the sub populations you’re concerned about and perhaps, I will reconsider. Also look into what fraction of hepatitis B infections are associated with immunity, as opposed to how many progress to liver failure or cirrhosis

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Danny L's avatar

Would rather not use my whole name. Debate can be had without doxxing individuals. I notice you putting the burden of proof on everyone but yourself. It is easy to stand back and criticize everything. Why do I have to present to you Hep B epidemiology data when you can easily look it up yourself? Why do I have to provide you studies disapproving a link between vaccines/autism meeting only your specific parameters? Flip it around and maybe you can show me data proving your points? Regarding Hep B, I can humor you. Hep B has a 6-8% prevalence rate in Africa and Asian. 200-500k die a year. Prevalence has been cut in half since the introduction of the vaccine but it is nowhere near eradicated. You can be a carrier and pass it a long. I do not have Hep B, but my wife is a carrier, my mom is a carrier, my dad was treated for full blown Hep B, my wife's mom is a carrier. All of my children needed Hep B vaccine and HBIG. We live in America and I was born here. Our family friend had full blown Hep B and liver failure, nearly died.

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Ray Taylor's avatar

Who would you deny Hep B and varicella to?

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Raj Batra's avatar

My stance would be everyone who’s not at environmental or occupational risk for HepB.

For Varicella, children who are immunocompromised are at highest risk for systemic infections, but it’s an off the cuff answer that would need more at- risk profiling that can be done by existing literature review.

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David Newman's avatar

All points taken, seems we’re getting somewhere, thank you for that. My sense is you have a philosophical/ethical concern about vaccines. Different issue than mine. I’m invested in useful inferences from reliable data. Modeling could point us in a direction, but the direction strikes me as fruitless until or unless some large study somewhere has found even a hint of a link in human data. None has. On mandates, tricky business, above my pay grade, but you and I may be quite close. Thanks again.

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Raj Batra's avatar

What does your profile description of “fallen from grace” mean?

Just curious as I was cast out as well- but will create my own paradise.

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David Newman's avatar

Would need to see your data. With a clear and enormous expansion in definitions, recognition, and diagnoses (extending far beyond any underlying pathology that could have been covered by the original term) the onus is now on others to show us their data. Please do, I’m genuinely interested. I’ve been unconvinced by RFKs books and the occasionally claims of others. - Thanks

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Raj Batra's avatar

The data is anecdotal precisely because its collection or testing is obstructed by both government and Pharma And the data that is published gets canceled by the same entities.

Anecdotes that are not connected by a unifying theme are not disinformation or even misinformation, they are unstudied and unreconciled phenomena.

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David Newman's avatar

Points taken. But to be clear, you are agreeing there are undisputed data showing definitional changes have exponentially increased the 'incidence' of autism. Your concern (shared by many, including me) about possible additional environmental causes remains unsupported—not impossible, unsupported. IMHO, it is also a big stretch to claim the subject is unstudied and unreconciled. There are multiple large, population-based studies finding autism to be equally prevalent among unvaccinated and vaccinated groups. That is borderline dispositive. These are imperfect studies, but I'm unaware of better studies finding a link. That link is what I am seeking, and I'm open to it. But after decades of claims, books, documentaries, theories, and rumors, where are the data? Every large study refutes it, no large study supports it.

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Hilary L.'s avatar

The study that was done on vaccines and autism was proven to be completely made up.

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Raj Batra's avatar

? Which study

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Raj Batra's avatar

Which one?

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Ezekiel Detroit's avatar

I cannot find a scientific connection between inflammation and autism or schizophrenia or common psychiatric conditions. The claim of causality of vaccines and autism is not supported. There is another problem with making such claims: Childhood vaccination is less frequent than pre-pandemic rates, especially in poor and conflict area countries, but everywhere else to a degree. The influence of anti-vax disinformation is probably a big factor in this. In case you still are afraid of mRNA vaccines, we are talking about refusal (“hesitancy” is the waffle word) of generations-established safe and effective vaccines. Diphtheria, Pertussis, Tetanus, Polio, Measles, Meningitis...all are killers and cripplers. Unvaccinated kids who are infected go to school or church and pass it on to uninfected unvaccinated children and we have a disease outbreak. Can you distinguish bad science from malicious intent or religious fanaticism? I can't. Medical disinformation is destructive to communities and can even be used politically to destabilize populations by making them sicker. Mr. Kennedy may be about to take his position in a bully pulpit where his lack of knowledge will be invisible to literally billions of people who will grant him a cloak of authority where he has none. A supposedly well-intentioned person can still create destruction by influencing other people with bad advice.

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DEMedia is Propaganda's avatar

We Dealt with these idiots during Wuhan on Telegram

RFK got the Wuhan created to protect Jews from Lynn Fynn MD. TXIconoclast destroyed her with the same study she and RFK cited in her own Telegram group. It is preserved here on Telegram at t.me/LynnFynnNazi

It is impossible to underestimate just how f****** stupid RFK is

In the confirmation hearing to be in charge of Medicare and Medicaid he could not even describe the four parts of Medicare which the average senior knows very well.

There's nothing good about the guy he's been a horrible person is entire life a fraud a scammer a liar and dumb as f***

Even by Kennedy standards and they're all f****** stupid. Each generation is dumber because they married dumb women.

The reality would these people is they fall into one or both of two categories

Scammers and frauds that are selling books or speaking engagements or supplements or themselves

Or parents of autistics who want to assuage their guilt for ignoring long known risk factors like parental age and parental age gap and family history (aka genes)

The Big Tell

They don't actually f****** care about the cause of autism. If they did they would look at all possible causes. They don't

Even ignore the long well-known things and they ignore all the emerging things.

They only care about the vaccines because then they can blame someone other than themselves and there could be a big payday.

It's really that f****** simple We fought these f****** constantly.

No one on substack that can say anything about this that we haven't heard.

Like I said in another post they behave like get another variant of Flat Earthers

They're not interested in the truth they're only interested in pushing their narrative when you give them irrefutable evidence they will not admit it and they will just move on. And then they'll go back to telling the original lie when you're not there. That's why they keep bringing up Mercury even though Mercury was disproved before RFK got involved. Then you just prove Mercury and they talk about aluminum. Then you explain why aluminum doesn't make any sense because people consume far more aluminum from other sources and the miniscule amount and a VAX. All about the different forms of Mercury and aluminum and excretion rates.

These people don't know what a spurious correlation is.

They also don't understand the basics of correlations

When you have something that's going pretty much straight up over a period of time anything else that went more or less straight up during that period of time will correlate well with it

But correlations are not causality

In fact Mercury inversely correlates because it was removed and the autism rate continued to climb. That really pisses him off when you shove that in their stupid f****** faces

These people are f****** stupid. And the ones that have medical background they're just f****** stupid MDs. Remember half of all MDs are below median competence.

Dr Kory? Went to medical school in Granada. That's where you go when you can't get in a US school even a s***** one.

I qualified as a high school junior for Northwestern 6-year BSMD program which was probably the hardest program to get in in the country.

I turned it down because I wanted to do something else. And I ended up doing it.

I have an extremely high aptitude.

I have great respect for the best doctors. Disdain for the average and contempt for the below average

Even the ones I have great respect for I do not accept everything they say blindly.

This is science. Opinions mean nothing.

I'm at Lana's Pauling at my folk's house. He's one of the greatest scientists of the 20th century.

But he was pushing megadoses of vitamin c then. He was personally taking 19 grams a day. I was not convinced. there's never been any good signs showing it to be beneficial and there is risk to it.

As TXIconoclast says

The Opinions of Scientists is Not Science.

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DEMedia is Propaganda's avatar

Very Well Said.

Only the Dumbest Trump Cult 4 RFKjr

When he was 10% in Polls he wanted a Deal with Kamala for a Job but she wouldn't take his call. So he whores himself to Trump. Defrauded his campaign donors on to of his other scams and frauds. He is no Conservative and neither is Oz Lake Tulsi Musk or Trump. Just immoral opportunists with nor integrity who will do anything, anything for fame or $.

Read this about RFK Jr including all links

RFK Jr has no qualifications to be appointed to anything but prison. none. I know all about him and his scum family. You know nothing but Propaganda

He is a fraud scammer con man Dipshit mental case.

At confirmation hearing, he didn't even know the basics of Medicare and Medicaid https://www.medpagetoday.com/special-reports/features/114010

My Long Reply to Sharyl Attkisson on RFK Jr. Read All Links in here. 🚨https://sharylattkisson.substack.com/p/dojs-vaccine-autism-coverup/comment/79185572?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android&r=4bdzfc

RFK Jr Ripping off Children's Health Defense Donors with fees https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/investigations/3264238/rfk-jr-income-anti-vax-philanthropy-legal-fees/

RFK Jr 14 year Heroin Addiction which his younger brother David died from. Because RFKjr got him addicted https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/rfk-jr-heroin-addict/

RFK Jr wife hangs self and dies after reads his diary and learns of huge number of affairs https://www.statesboroherald.com/world/ap-source-rfk-jrs-wife-hanged-herself/https://people.com/books/robert-kennedy-jrs-troubled-marriages-detailed-in-new-book/

RFK Jr Sex Diary https://nypost.com/2013/09/08/rfk-jr-s-sex-diary-of-adultery/

RFK Jr fires daughter in law from campaign https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2024/apr/11/rfk-jr-staffer-fired-after-video-shows-her-saying-/

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Emiel de Jonge's avatar

Broadening of the syndromic concepts of the diagnostic criteria does not actually lead to better understanding of autism. It leads to broadening the concept creating a pool of previously differing more concrete and specific syndromes which undoubtedly does not lead to more understanding. It leads to more people getting help, but as a scientific concept I doubt that it helps much. Concept creep is the norm in the DSM and no test in the history has become more accurate and more sensitive by broadening the scope over and over, adding more and more. I am on the autistic spectrum and I am satisfied with what help it has brought me. But I also read the literature surrounding the diagnostic usefulness in science and I do not get the sense that the concept creep of the diagnostic criteria has lead to anything resolving around a better understanding. Considering how previously different diagnosis are now one, it means that the diagnosis consists of many possible subcategories, which does not help with identifying correlations, as it leads to many new confounding, mediating and or moderating variables. I don't think it would be cogent to state that the new DSM diagnosis leads to better understanding as it has lead to only less clear contrast between differing problems.

And it also has lead to a movement that kind of consists mostly of people with ASD that speak for people that cannot speak or communicate well themselves. And I don't know if this is good or not. Considering that the problems of the people with the most severe cases will always be different from those who have careers, have PhDs, have a family and have a stable live vs those who cannot work, cannot sustain themselves and will always need the help of others to get through live. I don't know how much a say activism should have on how science is done, to a certain degree it's good that people with direct experience have a say in how the science is done, but on another level, the pressure to conform to the activists will add counterproductive elements that lead to less specificity, less accuracy and less overall contrast of the diagnostic criteria. I would not be surprised the the ASD diagnosis would be split up in differening subdiagnosis in the future.

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DR's avatar

It would be surprising if definitions or criteria didn't change over time.

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Emiel de Jonge's avatar

It's not the problem that it changes. The problem lies in its scope. The broader it becomes the less useful it becomes. It's already a bucket of many previously distinct categories and the movement that forced this has become an equal bucket of sometimes conflicting interests, it's a broad category with many different severities in it. With many different characteristics, it's less and less contrasting, it's less and less accurate and becomes more and more sensitive to false positives. Changes are good when they are beneficial, and are not a problem when changes have little impact. But changes in this case can do harm to the usefulness of the diagnostic criteria. There have been so many scientific critiques of the DSM, partly because of the severe never ending concept creep. Change should happen when it makes the diagnostic criteria better, more accurate and so on. And more useful. Not more encroaching and less contrasting.

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Alexia's avatar

Totally agree. The current definition means that many research is not that useful because unless the team screens further into the profile, you can’t compare a mentally challenged autistic person who has no autonomy to someone with a high school degree. It’s to heterogenous. And the actually autistic brings more problems than it solves.

Luckily there are many autistic scientists involved in research who are working to fix this.

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Jordan Longer Name's avatar

I disagree. Autism, however it has been defined, virtually did not exist 60 years ago. Further, I have yet to see a vaccine apologist produce a single instance of an autistic child who has been 100% vaccine free. Apparently, they don’t exist, even under the dumbed-down standards of what defines autism.

Those who seek to avoid vaccines and the drug dealers pushing them do so for very sound reasons. The manifest tsunami of fraud from the “experts” who brought us “safe and effective” has awakened a multitude.

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Ray Taylor's avatar

Yes they do - search for "Amish and autism" using Perplexity or Google Scholar.

It existed but it was called other things, like "developmental delay" or "being odd". Google "historical people with autism". Lewis Carrol was one of them.

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DEMedia is Propaganda's avatar

Gibberish

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Hollis is a Nerd's avatar

Just a little information to consider: Autism was first included in the DSM-III in 1980 under the term “Infantile Autism” as part of the broader category of Pervasive Developmental Disorders (PDDs), therefore it would not have been recorded as such 60 years ago. There is evidence of autistic symptoms being methodically recorded by Grunya Sukhareva as early as the 1920's.

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Mark Hovde's avatar

Hold on hold on. Why don’t you comment please on the prevalence of SEVERE autism, which definition has not changed during the time period you mentioned? Of course, if the definition has broadened, then we are not looking at apples to apples. But the definition of severe autism has not brought so you could make that comparison. What is the change in prevalence of severe autism? Thank you very much.

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Ray Taylor's avatar

1. Many people who had severe autism in the past were diagnosed with "developmental delay". It's very hard to go back in time and assess which of them had autism, and which had something else.

2. Severity of autism symptoms changes over time, so again it's very hard to compare like with like.

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Tina's avatar

Absolutely. Problematic is the fact that one can now get an “autism spectrum” diagnosis with zero objective criteria met. I have a friend who, in her 40’s, decided she thought she had ADHD, and went to a primary care physician. Said physician prescribed ADHD medication with zero referral to a psychiatrist. After a while, said friend started experiencing side effects of the ADHD medication which were uncomfortable, so she went back to the primary care provider, and was told “The ADHD treatments have unmasked your social autism.” “Social” because said friend is outgoing, personable, and has zero problem with communication. Her symptom that brought her to her doctor was, merely, “increasing feelings of discouragement.” (This is listed as a potential side effect of her drug in the literature) So, subjective report to a primary care provider of ADHD-like symptoms, coupled with feelings of discouragement triggered by pharmaceutical treatment, were enough to get a “formal” diagnosis of ASD. (Albeit by a physician who is not technically qualified to provide such diagnosis) She will now qualify for accommodations at her place of employment, which she can request for any subjective feelings she has. I hope I’m not alone in finding this to be problematic. The expansion of diagnostic criteria is not a good thing if there are no objective tests required to receive a diagnosis. Is ASD over-diagnosed? I also have another friend who has a son who, as a small child, experienced many symptoms similar to ASD. After a lot of trial and error, they discovered that he had heavy metal toxicity. They went through treatment to detox the heavy metals from his system, and the ASD-like symptoms went away. They now claim to have “cured” his ASD with alternative treatments. But I would say he never had ASD to begin with. He had something else causing ASD-like symptoms, the underlying condition was treated, and the symptoms went away. Again, over-diagnosis of ASD?

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Ray Taylor's avatar

Do you think brain biopsies should be done? Obviously not - sometimes signs and symptoms and medical history have to be used.

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Tina's avatar

Except when it’s purely subjective, and there is no corroborating evidence of an issue. People can invent symptoms that don’t exist. How do they rule out some other psychiatric disorder like Munchausen if a person can just say they have certain symptoms?

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DEMedia is Propaganda's avatar

It amore than problematic ( a word I hate)

It is malpractice, incompetence, and possibly fraud.

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José Interiano's avatar

Having lived through the second half of last century and the time that we are discussing about this topic and having practiced clinical general pediatrics from 1983 to 2019, gives me exposure to this issue, Autism. It is way beyond expansion of the definition and quite obvious that the number of people with the condition has skirocketed in an alarming way. I have been skeptic of the cause and always believed that it is multi factorial, genetic, infectious, ambiental, autoimmune? But discarding vaccines just as simple as that, is not correct and makes me suspicious of this article. It would be very hard to prove it one way or the other because you would need two matched populations of children, one group vaccinated and the other unvaccinated within the same population, to my knowledge, there is not such study. Having said that and with the modern days post COVID vaccination and the side effects that have been suspiciously associated with, makes me wonder even more of the strange association of vaccines and side effects. I have lived long enough to see the tremendous benefits of the vaccines and by no means believe that their benefit, in the majority of vaccines, outweighs their risk of administration, but with the large number of our children being diagnosed of the ASD at the present time, red flags are justified. Stopping giving immunizations in the past has promptly brought back the feared illnesses that they prevent, measles and pertussis are recent obvious examples, so stop giving the current vaccines would be an immense mistake and should be avoided. Unbiased studies are certainly in order. But the red flags are justified.

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Ray Taylor's avatar

Yes there are studies like that - search "Amish and autism" or "unvaccinated and autism" using Perplexity.

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DEMedia is Propaganda's avatar

Your personal experience is no measure.

More promotion of autism and expansion of definition to include what are all but certain different conditions ...means more kids are brought to physicians compared to the past where the physician would have never seen them.

Insurance coverage is a big factor as well

Having turned down Northwestern 6yr BS MD after qualifying for as a HS Jr.

I know how many Physicians are not as smart as they think they are. They get in and they Medical Schools in good memories and regurgitatinf what they are taught

Most Physicians are technicians using applied science

Far too many have no real fundamental aptitude for science

Again what you saw in your practice is not indicative of any evidence. There's more parents bringing more kids to you because of media and schools pushing it.

Schools use it as an excuse for incompetence.

Psychologist filter everything through their own personal experience growing up and they're f***** up adult lives.

The Left Controls Psychology and Psychiatry

Faggotry removed from DSM on politics not science

Long Time Collectivist Goals to Control Them

Here are the 45 Communist Goals for America Read into Congressional Record Jan. 10, 1963

Before Faggotry removed from DSM

Most have been achieved in whole or part including the ones on Psychology and Psychiatry.

Basically, the more people that have a mental condition, the more people the government can control.

Our Founders would have been diagnosed with Oppositional Defiant Disorder

When I was in college, the standard joke was people go into psychology because they're f***** up and want to find out what's wrong with them. That hasn't changed.

Psychology isn't a profession it is a masturbatory circle jerk of faggots and other miscreants.

I am reasonable certain they could find a disorder with anyone Especially when prompted by authorities or family with an agenda.

And I have no dog in those hunt I've never been to one. But I've seen they're incompetence.

45 Communist Goals for America

https://substack.com/@demediaispropaganda/note/c-95531378?r=4bdzfc

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DEMedia is Propaganda's avatar

Wuhan PseudoVax is not a Vax contains no antigen

the mRNA Does not make an exact copy of the antigen either because of nucleic acid substitutions and folding differences

Substitutions is the cause of many of the problems because one in particular made it a little more like DNA than mRNA and more stable.

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Margaret Miller's avatar

Dr. Paul Thomas in Oregon did a study comparing vaccinated and unvaccinated children in his own practice. I believe you can find it on the children's health defence website.

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DEMedia is Propaganda's avatar

CHD a fraud on donors. RFK is a career scammer liar who knows nothing about everything

Anyone associated with RFk or CHD is not credible.

Anyone can do a "study". That doesn't make it meaningful.

LOL

You know nothing.

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drjennifersmith1@gmail.com's avatar

"Instead of defining deviancy down, psychology has ubiquitized it up." The pathologization of normal. Haslam, N. (2016). Concept creep: Psychology's expanding concepts of harm and pathology. Psychological Inquiry, 27(1), 1–17. https://doi.org/10.1080/1047840X.2016.1082418

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Sandra Ganey's avatar

I don’t believe you. Read Aaron Siri’s substack today. And then show me all these magical studies that prove vaccines have nothing to do with autism in susceptible children. Or explain Hannah Poling and the other 80 injured kids who were awarded damaged when their autism was proven to be caused by shots. Mind you it isn’t all children and it’s complicated, but the aluminum and other ingredients can and do cause autism in some people.

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DEMedia is Propaganda's avatar

LOL. Tses elsewhere. Aluminum in shots in miniscule and trivial compared to aluminum they get from other sources

We battles all these idiots during Wuhan

Autism Anti Vaxers behave like another variant of Flat Earthers (sa.e as 9-11 Truthers, Holocaust Deniers, Moon Landing Deniers etc)

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Ian McKerracher's avatar

My volunteerism leads me to school-age children every week. The idea that autism has not grown over the last 50 years tells me the investigators were not looking at the same kids I do.

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Peter Yim's avatar

Let's start with this statistical premise: there is no such thing as a study that proves vaccines do not cause autism. Has not been done. At least I'm not aware of the study and the author provides no citation. Rather - some observational studies have failed to show that vaccines cause autism.

But did I miss something in the above article. I saw only a single "Australian" study that found no significant increase in autism. All others cited seemed indicate quite the opposite - potentially significant increases in autism rates.

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Rafael Olivé Leite's avatar

Those who see causation in autism and vaccines should first start defining a sound molecular mechanism interfering with brain development that would ultimately causes autism. I call it the dominant cause.

https://thethoughtfulintensivist.substack.com/p/how-do-we-mistake-biological-plausibility

Then, they should demonstrate how vaccines are sufficient to trigger this specific mechanism.

None of that is known. The whole story is no more than a conjecture.

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DEMedia is Propaganda's avatar

It is not even a conjecture.

Because it is often done not in good faith by people like RFK

Also the conjecture of stupid people is not worth much

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Drew Skonberg,DC's avatar

Dr. Wm. Thompson at the CDC has admitted to the connection based upon data seen following their studies. Why was he ordered to destroy this research if there wasn’t a connection and why hasn’t the CDC shown or conducted a follow up? Because they already have the proof.

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Michael Sachs's avatar

How about a potentially plausible explanation I've heard of a societal change that has occurred in the last 20-30 years: cell phone use? Men walking around all day with their cell phone strapped to their hip, irradiating their gonads. I know it's uncertain whether cell phones emit enough energy to cause genetic damage to sperm, but since some cases of autism are genetic it's a theory that could deserve attention. Certainly may be disproved, but if there were to be a potential associationfound between the explosion in cell phone use and some cases of autism, I wonder how many people crying out that children shouldn't receive vaccines because of a (disproven) autism link would be willing to give up their cell phone?

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Joe's avatar

While you make a lot of good points in this piece, there is also no scientific evidence that vaccines DO NOT cause autism.

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Ezekiel Detroit's avatar

In fact new research points to the presence of inflammatory processes in mental illness. There is still no evidence at all that vaccines cause autism in any way. Real science is honest and it is prepared to change as information arrives. That is because we agree that new facts will arise and we do not claim eternal truth. On the other hand, conspiracy theorists and pseudoscientists have other agendas, such as attacking genuine authority and making profit from snake oil. Kennedy is responsible but probably not liable for death and injury due to vaccine refusal. Now we see other self promoters and science fiction afficionados entering powerful federal office in our health care system. It is troubling to put it mildly.

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